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  When is a commandment ever worded with "IF"?

  by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

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  2. beliefs

  acts 15:28 for the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.

  if you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper.

  good health to you!.

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  problemaddict 2

  While i haven't looked into it directly, i would caution by reading to much into english conjunctions.

  I think Kai is used here.
  

  So KAI can be translated "and, also, but". it is however more of a placeholder for the beginning of a sentance.
  

  What is more interesting is the final word. Some apologists (including myself back in the day), used to suggest the "good health to you" was almost like a prescription for lack of a better word, from Luke the physician. Now that seems luicrous, but there was a point made by a prominent JW apologist on the matter in the late 90's early 2000's.

  What is translated as "good health to you" however, is a bit of a stretch. I copied below from studylight.org.

  

  Not trying to throw salt on your point, I'm just not sure the "if" hold the same weight in the original language which could hurt your point.
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  Horrible Bosses

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just heard this a few minutes ago by a jw friend who is still an elder in my old hall.

  the kingdom hall i used to attend and my mom still attends was paid off many years ago and serves about 6 congregations.

  one of the english congregations has a lot of financially well of members.

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  Oh wow.

  My guess is these guys didn't step down, but are being removed, except for maybe your buddy.

  At least this reminds them that the organization is not autonomous. Getting sued for being stupid? thats your hall, we just are the guardians of doctrine. Set up a separate bank account? thats OUR money. I think they should have just returned all the dough to the donors instead of sending it back in.
  

  -aaron
  
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  New Child Abuse Lawsuit

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  can't see this having been mentioned already - forgive me if i missed it and it is old news.. velicia alston brings lawsuit against watchtower (irwin zalkin representing):.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8nmgrvlmvxo.

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  I don't mean for this to sound wrong, but I am interested in the specifics of her situation and her case.

  Another brave woman steps forward.
  
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  The "mis-truths" said by brothers during the Royal Commission.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  my sister said she heard several "mis truths" or dare we say, "lies" said by the brothers on the stand during the royal commission.. 1) vin toole lied when asked about the expression "theocratic warfare".

  he said he was unaware of the term.

  2) terry obrien lied when asked whether witnesses are free to research the organisation or free to leave without any negative consequences.. 3) geoff jackson lied when he said that the organisation doesn't run a 'police state' and doesn't criticise those who want to leave.

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  The reddit breakdown is the best one thus far.
  
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  Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com

  by Gilgamesh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).

  i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.

  so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).

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  prov2711.....lol
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  Uh-oh, the elders want to pay us a visit!!

  by BeautifulMind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, hubby gets contacted today by one of the elders saying 2 of them want to pay us a visit and asks him when we are available.

  we both had the heart drop feeling for a few minutes lol.

  but he promptly, and politely, informed them that we are very busy but he will let them know when we are free.

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  True story. I made a deal with an elder that said something stupid to me that would be horribly embarrassing to reveal to his fellow elders. Then he had the nerve to slander me. So I called me, went off, and made him a deal.

  You make sure the elders don't come to my house......and I won't talk to them about what you told me.

  Deal. Done. Nobody comes by. We may even be on DNC.
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  People Magazine: Who Was Vester Lee Flanagan, the Man Who Allegedly Shot 3 People on Live TV?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.people.com/article/vester-lee-flanagan-bryce-willams-the-man-who-allegedly-shot-3-people-live-tv.

  people magazine: who was vester lee flanagan, the man who allegedly shot 3 people on live tv?.

  born in 1973 in oakland, california, to vester and betty flanagan, he was raised as a strict jehovah's witness.

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  Being a homosexual black man whose world view was in part shaped by a fundamentalist religious background that is as exclusionist and judgement as JW's have to be a lethal trinity of personal complex creation.

  Still.....he didn't shoot people because he was raised a JW.

  Danny Hazard should stay off the internet. He does much more harm than good.
  
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  What woke you up?

  by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

  so what woke me up?

  an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

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  The first brick fell with blood.

  I simply could not logically defend the change in policy, and I always prided myself in being able to debate the bible and doctrine very well and with dignity. I simply could not defend....even really stretching it.....why some things were "allowed" and others weren't. It began to dawn on me the people I knew or had heard of directly that "died faithful".

  I wondered what they were being faithful to. Something they believed to be true no doubt, but who had taught them that was true? My logical mind kicked in and it went like this.

  2) So who decided what was forbidden and not? What was the criteria for this?

  3) Crickets.

  4) Answers I received revolved around weak arguments of better overall health, continued growth and therfore evidence we could not have been bloodguilty, and the argument that "not that many had died", and that "cause of death really couldn't technically be traced to blood loss in most cases".

  My brain went wild. I thought I could stay for the good. I didn't want to leave. Years later i knew I had to be my authentic self, or not. I decided to be authentic. My wife did too.

  Blood started it all. It woke me up.
  

  It gave me permission to research with new eyes things I had previously already held as truths.
  

  Then.........it all falls down.
  
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  Ugh. I am remorese to say that while this guy was clearly unstable in a very odd hard to understand way, that neither guns nor his former religion are clearly at fault enough to make any real case.

  He was racist, and felt his actions were justified by another racist. He didn't know how to process emotion as can be seen by his employment history. I have a few threads out to JW's here in San Diego that may have known him when he lived here.

  He clearly was not a JW for some time, as a gay man. I am sure more details will come out.

  this doesn't help or hurt anyones cause. Its just brutal and horrific. I watched the videos. I am not sure why. They are incomprehensible. He even seems to linger after showing them the gun and them not noticing......almost as if he is getting even angrier.

  Just terrible.
  
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  Setback

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.

  i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.

  then she decided she would attend the memorial.

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  Well don't keep us on the edge of our seats you jerk. :)